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1:21 pm October 5, 2010
| mom
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I am usually the one who is giving the advice or making the suggestions but right now I am at a loss and need help. My 13 year old son has absolutely no desire to be in school. His father and I have been dealing with this since he entered kindergarten. We had a brief reprieve in the fourth and fifth grade but then he went right back to hating school and still does.
Background
In kindergarten thru third grade, our son made a point of getting thrown out of class or sent home every chance he could. He learned quickly with each new teacher what buttons to push that would get him sent home. At one point, he was sent to a special school for kids who didn't know how to behave for 90 days.
His dad and I figured out he was not a bad kid early on but it took the school much longer to see it. Once we realized and convinced the school that he was only acting out to get sent home and not because he couldn't control his behavior the school made exceptions to keep him in school. In no time at all, my son figured out the things that would force the school to send him home no matter what.
Our son's test scores are amazing. He was tested for the genius program and missed it by 2 points. He is a very smart kid. He is extremely logical about things and I think that is part of the problem sometimes. Every year the FCAT (Florida standardize test) results come out and he is well above his peers. So the problem is not learning that he can do and has no issue with.
When our son wants to learn he will do it. When he enetered fourth grade he had a teacher who somehow got him to work. Our son went to class everyday, only got suspended 1 time (down from the 7 times the year prior) and seemed to have taken a shine to school. We thought maybe he had just matured and realized that he was going to have to go school. Fifth grade went just as well with a different teacher.
Last year the same behavior started again right at the end of the year. It was like he was done. He complained of being bored, complained about not liking the other kids, complained about not liking the teachers and just overall complained about school. The principal put him in honor classes this year to try to deal with the boredom issue but it is not working.
What we have already tried
His dad and I tried pyschiatrists and pyschologist to figure out what was wrong with him or what could be causing his behavioral issues but neither of those worked. He was tested for all kinds of things and at one point he was deemed to have ADHD and put on Adderall. All that did was make him sleep in class, which did keep in school but not in an educational manner. We stopped the Adderall after another doctor said he didn't have ADHD or at least that wasn't the problem. Adderall doesn't make kids with ADHD behave it makes them focus. Our sons problem had nothing to do with focus at all and he could behave if he wanted to behave.
We have tried punishment and encouragement. We have grounded him, taken away his toys, taken away his beloved video games and the internet. His father is works in the Corrections (jail) field and even took him through the scared straight program. He has been offered money for good grades hoping that would be incentive. We went the reward him when he has a good day and doesn't get in trouble route to no avail. We even changed custody and he went to live with his dad for awhile to see if that would make a difference.
Nothing has worked. We have talked to him till we are blue in the face. He just doesn't like school sorry he hates school. He could care less about the punishments or the rewards. Nothing bothers him at all.
Where we are right now
School started August 23rd and within the first week I got phone calls from the school. My son wasn't doing his homework at all. I fixed that as best I could and now he is doing his homework. Since that first week I have gotten phone calls, so many that at times I don't even answer if it is the school's number on the caller ID, from teachers about his lack of classwork or participation or disturbing the class. The dean of students has called and asked to meet more than once. I haven't gone yet because I don't know what more I can do. His father is at a loss as well.
His father and I have agreed to go meet with the dean of students to talk about our son. She wants to form a plan that will get our son interested in school. Right now our son is failing for lack of doing classwork and when the dean spoke to my son, he told her he was concerned about it. He isn't concerned at all. When I asked him why he told her that, he told me because if he told her how he really felt about school he would get in trouble.
So here I am going to go to a meeting where I really don't know what to say or do. My son likes to learn new things and he is smart and he does well when tested but he hates school. How do you get a child to like school? How do you get a child to care about school? Do I punish him for hating school? How do I get him to do his classwork when punishment or reward don't work? How do I make a logical argument for why he needs to be in school when he has an amazing grasp on logic and knows that "school" is not really needed but education is?
I am at a loss and need some help. Has any other parent dealt with this successfully before? Is there something I am missing? Is there something else I could do? Any comments, ideas, and/or suggestions are welcome. I have to have this meeting in one week and right now I have nothing.
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1:51 pm October 5, 2010
| LynnM
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Have you considered homeschooling?
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1:59 pm October 5, 2010
| mom
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We have considered homeschooling but we are worried about 1) niether his father nor I feel we could provide the level of education that he would need and 2) his social skills are already limited (he is very shy) and would suffer further.
We also have a secondary problem that being that his brothers would want to also be homeschooled. My youngest son needs to be school in order to receive speech therapy so there is just no way he could be homeschooled.
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3:10 pm October 5, 2010
| John Holder
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You need to be careful or you will have a bigger problem on your hands. If he misses too many days child services gets involved and then it is a mess.
My daughter went through this and flat out refused to go to school from 7th to 9th grade. We tried everything but nothing worked. Her mother and I ended up in front of a judge trying to explain and we were threatened with jail time. Be careful!
I wish I had some advice to give you but we didn't know what to do either. The school, child services and the court were no help at all. They blamed us and treated us like we were bad parents.
I hate to tell you this part but my when she turned 16 she dropped out of school and there was nothing we could do about it.
We told her school or a job or find another place to live after we found out she dropped out. She went and got a job at Burger King and has been there for two years. She has no plans or aspiration to do anything more than that.
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3:43 pm October 5, 2010
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You're being too soft on him. If he doesn't stay in school then he doesn't eat. I am certain he will care when you take his food away. The other thing that works - beat his ass (I am not talking abuse). It worked on me as a kid and you all know it worked on you too. Stop handing out hugs and candy kisses and do what works.
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4:06 pm October 5, 2010
| LynnM
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Post edited 4:09 pm – October 5, 2010 by LynnM
sdwill09 said:
You're being too soft on him. If he doesn't stay in school then he doesn't eat. I am certain he will care when you take his food away. The other thing that works - beat his ass (I am not talking abuse). It worked on me as a kid and you all know it worked on you too. Stop handing out hugs and candy kisses and do what works.
You have got to be kidding….you can't starve or beat a kid to get them to like school. You need your head examined.
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4:26 pm October 5, 2010
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Most kids hate school this is nothing new. Why is going to such extremes though? Find out why school is so horrible for him? You mentioned he was shy, maybe he is being bullied? Does he have friends? I say keep encourage him to talk and try to get to the root of the real problem. Something was working so he mignt only need some encouragement to get back on track?
Good luck
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7:58 pm October 5, 2010
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You may want to rethink homeschooling. Some kids never get around to accepting school. There are so many resources out there to help parents who decide to homeschool. You don't need a college degree or to be a teacher to teach your own kid.
The siblings problem is a new issue you would have to address but try to look at it as a second issue to resolve rather than a reason not to homeschool.
You mentioned he was doing well for 2 years then started to go back to the same old behavior. Has something happened or changed? Possibly some kids that might have been in different classes those two years but are back in class with him now?
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8:11 pm October 5, 2010
| Ronald Batters
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YOU are the parent. Don't allow the CHILD to tell you, the PARENT, what he will and won't do!!
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8:15 pm October 5, 2010
| Elissa Jenner
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sdwill09 said:
You're being too soft on him. If he doesn't stay in school then he doesn't eat. I am certain he will care when you take his food away. The other thing that works - beat his ass (I am not talking abuse). It worked on me as a kid and you all know it worked on you too. Stop handing out hugs and candy kisses and do what works.
You can't starve and beat a child into doing what you want them to do.
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8:27 pm October 5, 2010
| Jay Visnosky
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Ronald Batters said:
YOU are the parent. Don't allow the CHILD to tell you, the PARENT, what he will and won't do!!
Exactly!!
He is a manipulating little twat that needs a good spank. You should grow a spine and put your foot down.
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8:36 pm October 5, 2010
| Laura Lemay
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Do you guys really think beating a kid will get said kid to do what you want? The kid hates school so now you want to punish him for the way he feels. Don't you think that will make him hate school even worse? Ignore these fools telling you to beat your kid.
Have you considered E-school? It is online school taught by certified teachers. That would eliminate one of your concerns about him getting a quality education at home. As for social skills you can't force them. Some kids are great at social stuff other kids not so good. Lots of kids are taught at home and they aren't lacking in social skills. Being shy is something some kids never get over no matter how many social things you put them in.
Big picture here….what is more important…having a good education or being a social butterfly?
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10:21 pm October 5, 2010
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Wasn't expecting responses so quickly so let me catch up.
@John – yes I realize that child services can get involved and the mess that would be. I have gotten little help from the school system except to blame me. We tried to get a 504 plan set up for him but we were told his behavior wasn't bad enough for him to qualify. He was suspended repeatedly but they didn't see that as bad enough.
@the ones of you who think I am being to soft or a good spanking will do the trick – not the case at all. His dad is all for the spanking route and it hasn't worked either. We have taken everything from him and that did no good either. This isn't a case of weak or lazy parenting, we have tired everything.
As far as I know nothing has changed. I have talked to him about it and he just says he doesn't like school. Recently, he mentioned that he is always in trouble and that is a factor but there is little I can do to change the reputation that he created. When incidents occur I do make sure the school checks out the incident fully and there have been some cases where my son has been just deemed the guilty party based on past actions not on any facts from the current incident. When that happens I do my best to set things straight. I did protect him in the beginning in kindergarten and 1st grade but I stopped after we figured out he was doing things intentionally just to get sent home.
As for his mental state – he isn't depressed or if he is, he has everyone fooled. At home his behavior is not the same as at school. I was having problems with when he was being grounded to his room, he would throw fits and call out my mom mom mom over and over again. Since he came back from living with his dad that has stopped. He gets along with other kids that he plays with. Shyness seems to be the only thing but like someone has already said you can't force a shy kid not to be shy.
In Florida we have connections academy and Fl virtual school both of which I have looked into. I am more concerned that he get an education over social skills but I still have the problem of his siblings. The youngest has had a hard time in school because he has a speech impediment. His first two years of school were extremely rough, so much that I had to go to school with him everyday for 6 months. He has finally improved his speech, thru therapy, to the point where he is understood by the other kids. He has just started to accept that he needs to be in school and is learning to deal with his frustrations when he isn't understood. Pulling him out of school would be counter productive. I know though if he sees his brother staying home he will want the same and a new battle will begin to keep him in school.
The thing that gets me the most is my son will get up, get ready and go to school with no problems at all. It is once he is there that the problems start. He got another referral today. He claims he and another kid were just playing around throwing something at each other but the teacher saw it as something different. I have to go in tomorrow to get all the details.
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3:46 am October 6, 2010
| RedStars
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We are going through the same thing with our 14 year old son. It started about 3 years ago and up until then he was doing well. His grades were average but he never complained about school. Then it started and has been nothing but frustration and tears ever since. He goes to school but refuses to do any work. His grades dropped but he still worked out passing onto the next level. This year he isn't even passing and if he continues he won't make it to the next level.
I understand your frustration as we have tried everything as well. We have been to psychologist and psychiatrist. The psychiatrist put him on medication for anixety but it has made no difference. He has been tested for learning, mental and emotional disorders and given a clean bill. My hubby and I are ready to give up. I feel so guilty and ashamed that he is failing but I don't know what else to do.
He is the most loving, kind and caring kid you could ever meet. As soon as he goes into the classroom he becomes a different kid. Like your son he just says he hates school. We can't get any kind of answer as to why this suddenly started. He is just tired of it and doesn't want to go anymore.
My hubby and I both work full time jobs so homeschooling is not something we can do. The school has bent over backwards to work with us and him but he doesn't care. They set up a schedule for him so he would only have to be their 3 days in a week if he kept his grades up. That worked for a month and then right back to doing nothing. This year he has taken to disrupting other pupils and the teachers trying to teach. He has been suspended twice and the school is talking about removing him compeletly.
I would give anything to know what to do.
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4:24 am October 6, 2010
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Have you tried being consistent instead of trying all these different things?
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7:31 am October 6, 2010
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south-afrikaan-sam said:
Have you tried being consistent instead of trying all these different things?
Exactly what do you mean? How long do you try something before you would consider it to be consistent? I have consistently taken him to the same psychologist for the past year. I set up specific ground rules and a schedule when school started and we have stuck to it faithfully without exception but have seen no results. He was doing well for the two years prior, he just started this type of behavior again at the end of the last school year.
Admittedly it wasn't until last year that I started being consistent when it came to discipline overall.  The man in my life last year pointed out that I was very inconsistent and had little follow thru but I don't think that is the case anymore so trying different things is all I have left.
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9:20 am October 6, 2010
| LynnM
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I am surprised at all the advice to spank your kid. I am not against spanking when it will work but spanking in this situation isn't going to work. You can drag your kid out of bed and to the classroom but you can't make them do the work. Also she needs a plan to discuss with the school. If she tells the school her plan is to "beat his ass" or withold food the school will be on the phone to DHS. We don't live in the same kind of world we grew up in. Spanking is frowned upon and considered child abuse by lots of people including DHS here in Florida.
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9:55 am October 6, 2010
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DO NOT BEAT OR SPANK A CHILD EVER! 
This is not a behvior problem. Kids who go to these extremes to get out of going to school have some other problem. You need to dig deep and find the real problem. If has been seeing the same psychologist for a year and nothing has changed – find a new doctor. Not to scare you but have you considered abuse at the school? If he was abused in the beginning it very well could set a long pattern of hate and distrust for the school system and teachers.
Bottom Line: This is not a behavior issue it is a mental or emotional issue!
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11:24 am October 6, 2010
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I think all parents should spank their kids at least once a day. Every kid does crazy shit their parents never find out about, a spank a day ensures proper punishment 
Seriously spanking this kid won't work. I was just like him when I was his age. I hated school and still do. There was nothing "wrong" with me I just didn't like teachers who thought they were gods, homework assignments to "practice" when I already knew what I was doing, and making me learn stupid shit I still have never used. I dropped out in my junior year of highschool. My parents freaked but I went out and immediately got my GED and a job doing shit construction work and saved my money. I moved out at 19 and have never had to go back.
I am happily married with 2 daughters, my wife stays home with the kids, I own (paid for) my home and two cars, we take family vacations twice a year and I bring home roughly $100K a year from my job as a construction manager. I learned early on thru experience not school how to save my money and make good financial choices enabling me to live a better life than my parents (my dad is a lawyer).
Point is not every kid is cut out for school but that doesn't mean they will end up a deadbeat with no job and no life. He is been tested there is nothing wrong with him and he doesn't sound like a kid who is just rebeling for the sake of it. He sounds just like me at his age, a good kid who just doesn't like school.
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2:24 pm October 6, 2010
| Melodie Rovack
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I am a certified ESE teacher with a master's degree in Special Education. I work with kids daily that have a wide range of cognitive, emotional, or physical disabilities. From the information you provided, I would suggest you have his doctor talk to him about his shyness.
Some kids are shy by nature and it is just a part of who they are as a person. Other kids are shy for a reason and it is something they grow out of or the reason they were shy no longer has meaning for them. Children who are shy, whether by nature or by cause, have fewer social skills and social situations cause them some level of anxiety. A high level of anxiety could be what is causing his dislike for school. If that is the case then school is not the problem, social situations are the problem. Your son my be acting out to get away from the anxiety he feels over the social interactions that the school enviroment puts him in rather than him just hating school.
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